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WHATS NEW ON NES WORLD
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WEDENSDAY 24TH JUNE 1998
Now its time for more garbage from the classicgaming.com story.
First a(nother) letter from fragmaster.
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| From: | Fragmaster (fragmaster@classicgaming.com) |
| To: | mnielsen@get2net.dk |
| Date: | Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:13:18 |
| Subject: | One more |
Can't you get it through your head? I didn't register it to piss you
off. I could care less about a site refusing to move to CG (I refuse
sites all the time and some of the ones I invite just don't want my
help, which is just fine), I was just trying to help you (back then).
READ this excerpt from my last mail:
"it's just a name. I won't get into the details of why we registered it
and who we were \ are working with on the site"
Doesn't that clue you in? Doesn't that tell you that maybe THERE IS
SOMEONE WORKING ON A SITE FOR THAT DOMAIN? I didn't want to come right
out and say this, because I really like to make things a surprise
(rather than hyping stuff up that may or may not ever come to be). Sure,
they could be using a different domain... and I would of probably could
of asked them to pick another one (since the site hasn't launched yet,
despite the fact good NES domain names are hard to come by), but you
*did not ask to buy it*. Instead, you thought a better approach to this
situation would be to send meaningless threats and then post my replies
(which didn't include your messages, and without asking for my
permission) on your site. Then you started your whiney little speaches
about how you had been wronged or something. As if I'd change my mind
and hand it over to you after you made me look like some sort of Bill
Gates clone. Grow up.
And I didn't reply to your last response, because I said I wasn't going
to reply to anymore emails about it. Didn't want this to become some
overblown soap opera, but it has. You've whined to about every site out
there.
Let's finish this before it becomes some sort of lifelong grudge. It's
not as if I hate your site, it's the second best one out there IMHO and
I'm sure you can do more with it.
What I'm going to do is take down the redirector to nesworld.com
(meaning it won't load ClassicGaming.com anymore, it just won't load
anything) until the site launches. If for some reason the project falls
through (as I am not running this site, if you haven't figured it out
yet), you can buy the domain for $100.
I think making apologies is pushing it, so I won't even ask :)
Oh, if I come across as a little harsh here... sorry. I'm sure you're a
bit frustrated too.
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Kevin "Fragmaster" Bowen
Editor-In-Chief\Site Director, ClassicGaming.com
http://www.classicgaming.com
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The following is a letter (reply) I sent to a friend of fragmaster, who? doesnt matter... Check it out and let me know if I'm totally fucked up ;)
Black text is mine and red is from the e-mail I received....
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| From: | - |
| To: | - |
| Date: | Wed, 24 Jun 1998 |
| Subject: | Re: Loyal Follower of Fragmaster |
Hello
First off, this mail copies to myself and fragmaster.
> Yes, you read the subject. First of all, Fragmaster did nothing wrong.
I know fragmaster did nothing wrong, legally, by registering
nesworld.com, but fragmaster knew that a page named NES WORLD
already existed and he therefore should've been smart enough not to
register, unless he wanted to cause trouble.
Fragmaster just e-mailed me telling that someone is working on a site
for the nesworld.com domain, well again, fragmaster knew that a
site called NES WORLD already exist and he should've told the guy who
is making the page to find another name for his site.
there's a word called "moral" which I hope both you, fragmaster and
everyone else knows what means... You just dont do stuff like
this, eventhough you have the legal rights to do so...
> That sort of stuff is first come, first serve. Second of all, maybe you
> should have moved to classicgaming, you would definately get more
> traffic(classicgaming is very popular).
Yeah its totally legal what he did, but not by the moral rules. NES
WORLD has a perfect provider (internet1), so I had no need to move to
classicgaming.com. Because classicgaming.com has much emulation
related material (emunews, roms and the like) I didnt want to move
there, as I had/have enough rom requests already. NES WORLD is
without banners and frames, as far as I know you have to have both if
you wanna be on classicgaming.com, right?
>You make such claims that Fragmaster wants to control all of the
>classicgaming sites. That is one of the most inane statements I
>have ever seen. Fragmaster just give classicgaming sites homes,
>bandwidth, and traffic.
I bet fragmaster wants to control everything put on his site,
everyone does. I remember telling classicgaming.com nicely that I
didnt want to move, with roms as the reason why. Now i'm being
accused of being extremely nasty back then, but thats not how I
remember it. I just hope you're 100% sure about what you're saying
(fragmaster not wanting to control classicgaming.com)
>You also made a claim that classicgaming is a rom/emulation site.
>While some sites on classicgaming contains such, not all have to do
>with that.
I'd say 90% of classicgaming.com is emulation related material ('ve
just been there looking though everything). You're right, not all
have to do with emulation, but most does.
>Anyways, your site is great. However, I just wish you would make
>correct statements on your news section. Both of you have great
>sites, so stop fighting.
Thanks. It would never have gone this far if fragmaster didnt
register nesworld.com, he could've picked a lot of other great names.
Also, fragmaster probably should use another excuse than "Martin
needs to grow up", because thats what I heard from him mostly, I bet
if he was in the same situation, he would probably act the same way
as I do.
Thanks for your letter....
- Martin
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MONDAY 22ND JUNE 1998
Hi again...
Yesterday I sent a letter to fragmaster, a reply to the letter from yesterdays third update. Strangely he didnt reply ;)
I know I have no right to claim nesworld.com as mine, but I still dont know why fragmaster registered it since he has absolutely no use for it, though I do have an idea why he did it. NES WORLD rejected to move to classicgaming.com a couple of months ago and he therefore wanted to annoy me (guess he wont take no for an answer), and he knew that by registering nesworld.com he knew he could do so.
Anyway, we'll see what the future brings. A HUGE THANK YOU TO YA'LL for the great support.
SUNDAY 21ST JUNE 1998 (THIRD UPDATE!)
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| From: | Fragmaster (fragmaster@classicgaming.com) |
| To: | mnielsen@get2net.dk |
| Date: | Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:27:23 |
| Subject: | Re: nesworld.com |
> You still havent answered my question, why www.nesworld.com?
I just read your page.
I would have probably considered selling the domain back to you had you asked
for it (for the $100 we paid for it, we've had it registered for awhile), but
due to your childish behavior and your outright lack of common decency (I did
NOT give you permission to post those emails), I'm not going to.
You have no legal claim over nesworld.com, it's just a name. I won't get into
the details of why we registered it and who we were \ are working with on the
site, but I didn't register it just to "piss you off" or get you to move to
ClassicGaming. The "paranoid control issue" I'm referring to is that idiotic
rant of yours you sent me after I offered to host your site months ago, after
which I decided you weren't the kind of person I wanted on our site (and I
think the behavior you've exhibited in your recent emails pretty much verifies
my opinion of you).
It's kind of funny that all these people are making all these statements about
a situation they know nothing about. You of course, are a saint who has done no
wrong.
Had you of asked for the domain in the first place instead of sending that
confrontational message asking why I had it and why I was trying to hurt your
site (which wasn't my attempt), things wouldn't of gotten messy.
You said on your site "All I can say is, this aint over yet." Well, it is.
Maybe I should post the full text of YOUR emails on my site, but I'd like to
think I'm above that kind of thing (which is more than I can say for you).
I'm not replying to anymore of your emails on the subject and I'll decide the
future of the domain.
I hate to be so harsh and sound so "intellectual" or whatever (this isn't my
thing), but I don't want to use any naughty words. :)
Anyways, I'm sorry if you feel angry about this situation, but it could of
rescinded easily had you not acted the way you did. Maybe you've learned a
lesson?
Best of luck on the future of the site.
--
Kevin "Fragmaster" Bowen
Editor-In-Chief\Site Director, ClassicGaming.com
http://www.classicgaming.com
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SUNDAY 21ST JUNE 1998 (SECOND UPDATE!)
More news on the classicgaming.com Vs. nes world.
I still havent been able to find out what fragmaster wants to use nesworld.com for, sofar I've sent him 3 e-mails asking why, all have been replied but none tells me why. Read the last 2 mails below (you can read the first one in todays first update).
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| From: | Fragmaster (fragmaster@classicgaming.com) |
| To: | mnielsen@get2net.dk |
| Date: | Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:35:02 |
| Subject: | Re: nesworld.com |
> yeah yeah, but WHY nesworld.com?
Why not? Are you upset about this? Were you planning to register it?
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Kevin "Fragmaster" Bowen
Editor-In-Chief\Site Director, ClassicGaming.com
http://www.classicgaming.com
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| From: | Fragmaster (fragmaster@classicgaming.com) |
| To: | mnielsen@get2net.dk |
| Date: | Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:20:40 |
| Subject: | Re: nesworld.com |
> Maybe I was going to register it, but I dont really see why you
> should register nesworld.com bsides pissing me off. Do you want me to
> move to classicgaming.com? Well that wont ever happen, because you
> run a rom/emulation site and I want absolutely nothing to do with
> such.
You said before you weren't interested in moving here (but it was because
of some paranoid "control" issue back then or something). Didn't mean to
make you mad, but like I said, we plan on using it.
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Kevin "Fragmaster" Bowen
Editor-In-Chief\Site Director, ClassicGaming.com
http://www.classicgaming.com
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Yes, I want to control my own work, wouldn't you? Fragmasters goal is to become
the largest source of information on classic games, and thereby having control over
every console page out there. So who has the "paranoid control" problem here?
You might ask yourself this question, why didnt NES WORLD buy the domain name eralier? Well
until a few days ago I've been without a job and therefore didnt have a lot of money and could'nt go register nesworld.com, believe me I would've if I could and had known that fragmaster would take it.
All I can say is, this aint over yet. Thanks to all the prople who support me. Check out
Tom Kidd's page called "the gray area", he has written something about this nesworld.com
matter too. Go to http://www.texark.org/grayarea.
SUNDAY 21ST JUNE 1998
www.nesworld.com has been registered! but not by me. But by classicgaming.com who, at the moment, uses it as a link to their main page. Well I dont know what fragmaster wants with www.nesworld.com, if is done to pressure NES WORLD to move to classicgaming.com (since he once asked me if I would move there) or just to get some of NES WORLD's users to move to classicgaming.com I dont know. Classicgaming.com is = roms/emulators and which has absolutely nothing to NES WORLD, therefore I'm very pissed that he choose to use my page's name.
Here's a reply I got from Fragmaster:
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| From: | Fragmaster (fragmaster@classicgaming.com) |
| To: | mnielsen@get2net.dk |
| Date: | Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:32:05 |
| Subject: | Re: nesworld.com |
> May I ask you what made you register "www.nesworld.com"?
Hey,
We plan on using it in the future.
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Kevin "Fragmaster" Bowen
Editor-In-Chief\Site Director, ClassicGaming.com
http://www.classicgaming.com
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